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Crunching the numbers: Comparing Niall Carew & Turlough O’Brien’s results at the helm of the Carlow Senior Football Team

A lot of discussion has been had over the past few days in the wake of Niall Carew’s departure as Manager of the Carlow Senior Football Team. Although many felt that the tenure’s were chalk and cheese in comparison to results under previous Manager Turlough O’Briem, the stats certainly make for interesting reading. Of course […]

By
Kevin Regan
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June 04, 2024

A lot of discussion has been had over the past few days in the wake of Niall Carew’s departure as Manager of the Carlow Senior Football Team.

Although many felt that the tenure’s were chalk and cheese in comparison to results under previous Manager Turlough O’Briem, the stats certainly make for interesting reading.

Of course in many respects it is indeed like comparing chalk and cheese, but that’s more so down to the introduction of the Tailteann Cup and also the disruption of Covid 19 in 2020 and 2021 which does make it slightly more difficult to measure.

O’Brien stepped away during Covid in 2020 after five games had been completed in the National Football League.

Carew took the game against Sligo which they won and the last one with London was never played.

In 2020 there was one only Championship game for Carlow and the same in 2021 with Qualifiers gone due to Covid, while the League that year was split into North and South.

Nevertheless the League & Championship form is all listed below.

Championship in Turlough’s time of course consists of Leinster and All Ireland Qualifiers, while Carew had Leinster and Tailteann Cup in his metrics, the latter two years being group games while 2022 was knockout.

So here’s the key statistics.

LEAGUE RECORD UNDER TURLOUGH 2015-2020

2015 Div 4

Finished 5th on 6 points – Scored 4-72, Conceded 3-87 TOTAL DIF -12

Antrim 1-12 – 0-15 Carlow

Carlow 2-09 – 0-13 London

Waterford 0-09 – 0-11 Carlow

Carlow 0-09 – 0-09 Wicklow

Offaly 0-14 – 1-10 Carlow

Carlow 0-06 – 1-12 Leitrim

Carlow 1-12 – 1-18 Longford

2016 Div 4

Finished 4th on 6 points – Scored 7-71, Conceded 10-90 TOTAL DIF -28

Carlow 0–10 – 1–12 Antrim

London 1–11 – 4–4 Carlow

Carlow 0–15 – 3–15 Waterford

Wicklow 0–14 – 0–17 Carlow

Carlow 1–7 – 2–17 Louth

Leitrim 1–4 – 0–12 Carlow

Wexford 2–17 – 2–6 Carlow

2017 DIV 4

Carlow finished 3rd on 9 points – Scored 10-90, Conceded 7-84 TOTAL DIF +25

Westmeath 2-10 – 2-10 Carlow

Carlow 0-16 – 2:15 London

Carlow 1-10 – 0-10 Limerick

Leitrim 2-14 – 2-12 Carlow

Carlow 2-10 – 0-07 Waterford

Wicklow 0-11 – 1-18 Carlow

Carlow 2-14 – 1-7 Wexford

2018 DIV 4

Carlow finished second on 12 points and achieved promotion – Scored 115, conceded 81 TOTAL DIF in LEAGUE SECTION +34

London 2-9 – 2-14 Carlow

Limerick 0-13 – 2-11 Carlow

Carlow 2-11 – 0-5 Leitrim

Waterford 2-9 – 2-12 Carlow

Carlow 1-17 – 0-12 Wicklow

Antrim 0-12 – 1-12 Carlow

Carlow 0-08 – 1-06 Laois

Laois 0-15 – 0-11 Carlow (LEAGUE FINAL)

2019 DIV 3

Carlow finished 7th on 5 points and were relegated, Scored 90, Conceded 94 TOTAL DIF -4

Carlow    1-11 – 0-07 Sligo

Westmeath 1-10 – 2-07 Carlow

Carlow     0-09 – 1-11 Longford

Offaly     0-15 – 1-9   Carlow

Carlow     1-10 – 0-12  Louth

Carlow     1-11 – 0-15  Down

Laois     1-15 – 1-12 Carlow

2020 DIV 4 ( TURLOUGH Manager for the opening five Rounds) Carlow finished 5th on 8 points, Scored 83, Conceded 87 TOTAL DIF −4

Carlow 0-11 (11) – (09) 0-09 Wicklow

Wexford 2-10 (16) – (09) 1-06 Carlow

Carlow 0-09 (09) – (10) 1-07 Limerick

Antrim 0-11 (11) – (11) 1-08 Carlow

Waterford 2-14 (20) – (20) 2-14 Carlow

Carlow 2-17 (23) – (21) 2-15 Sligo (Niall Carew in charge)

London scr – w/o Carlow

LEAGUE RECORD UNDER CAREW 2020-2024

2021 DIV 4

(Split North and South) Carlow finished 1st in 3 team group with 4 points – Scored 43, Conceded 27 TOTAL DIF in LEAGUE PART+16

Waterford 0-10 –  3-16 Carlow

Carlow  2-12  –  2-11 Wexford

Louth 1-23 – 1-15 Carlow (League Semi Final)

2022 DIV 4

Finished 7th Scored 92, Conceded 134, TOTAL DIF −42

Carlow 1-13 (16) – (17) 2-11 London

Sligo 0-28 (28) – (5) 0-05 Carlow

Carlow 2-12 (18) – (14) 2-08 Waterford

Cavan 0-19 (19) – (15) 1-12 Carlow

Carlow 1-10 (13) – (20) 2-14 Leitrim

Tipperary 2-16 (22) – (11) 0-11 Carlow

Carlow 0-14 (14) – (14) 1-11 Wexford

2023 DIV 4

Finished 6th, Scored 94, Conceded 118, TOTAL DIF −24

Carlow 2-10 (16) – (16) 2-10 Wicklow

Waterford 0-10 (10) – (14) 1-11 Carlow

Carlow  2-08 (14) – (20) 1-17 Laois

Leitrim   2-22 (28) – (13) 0-13 Carlow

London   0-09 (9) – (13) 0-13 Carlow

Carlow   0-11 (11) – (16) 2-10 Sligo

Wexford   1-16 (19) – (13) 0-13 Carlow

2024 DIV 4

Finished 5th, Scored 103, Conceded 109, TOTAL DIF −6

Tipperary 1-14 (17) – (19) 3-10 Carlow

Carlow 1-17 (20) – (9) 0-09 Waterford

Laois 2-14 (20) – (9) 0-09 Carlow

Carlow 2-14 (20) – (19) 1-16 Leitrim

Carlow 0-07 (7) – (17) 1-14 Wexford

Longford 0-14 (14) – (8) 0-08 Carlow

Carlow 1-17 (20) – (13) 1-10 London

OVERALL LEAGUE TOTALS:

TURLOUGH Played 41, won 18, drew 6, lost 17 43.9% Win Record

CAREW Played 25, won 10, drew 2, lost 13 40% Win Record

TURLOUGH Leinster SFC

2015 3-16 to 0-8 loss to Laois

2016  2-24 to 3-11 loss to Louth

2017 2-17 to 2-13 win v Wexford and 0-19 to 0-7 loss to Dublin

2018 2-17 to 0-12 win v Louth, 2-14 to 1-10 win over Kildare, 0-12 to 0-8 loss to Laois

2019 2-18 to 0-9 loss to Meath

CAREW Leinster SFC

2020 loss to Offaly 3-14 to 0-20

2021 loss to Longford 0-25 to 2-13.

2022 loss to Louth 5-10 to 0-10

2023 loss to Wicklow 2-12 to 0-10

2024 loss to Wexford 4-19 to 0-8

TURLOUGH All Ireland Qualifiers

2015 lost to Longford 2-15 to 1-8

2016 beat Wicklow 1-17 to 1-12 and lost to Cavan by 2-13 to 0-12.

2017 beat London 0-13 to 0-12, beat Leitrim 2-14 to 0-13 and lost to Monaghan 1-12 to 1-7.

2018 lost to Tyrone 3-14 to 1-10.

2019 lost to Longford 2-11 to 0-7.

CAREW TAILTEANN CUP 

NOTE: No qualifiers in 2020 or 2021 due to Covid

2022 beat Tipperary (Straight knockout) 1-12 to 1-10 and lost to Westmeath 1-21 to 2-13.

2023 beat Wicklow 0-17 to 1-13, lost to Limerick 1-19 to 0-14, beat Longford 2-13 to 1-14, beat New York 0-15 to 0-10 and lost to Antrim in the Quarter Final 1-19 to 1-15.

2024 drew 2-17 to 2-17 with Laois, lost 1-13 to 0-13 to Fermanagh, lost to Wicklow 0-15 to 1-9.

CHAMPIONSHIP TOTALS

TURLOUGH Played 16 won 6, lost 10 37.5% Win Record

CAREW Played 15, won 4, drew 1, lost 10 26.7% Win record

OVERALL LEAGUE & CHAMPIONSHIP TOTALS COMBINED

TURLOUGH Played 57, won 24, drew 6, lost 27 – 42.1% win record

CAREW Played 40, won 14, drew 3, lost 23 – 35% win record

Make what you will of these stats!

From a media point of view, both Manager’s were exceptionally good to deal with both on a professional level and on a human level so hopefully the next Manager is the same!

These stats and more are discussed on this week’s podcast which led to heated debate at times.